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Jeannie Koh
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Jeannie's published pages
LAB184 The Future Hope for Suffering
1 Peter 5:10-11
LAB182 The Art of War Part 2
1 Peter 5:8-10
LAB181 The Art of War Part 1
1 Peter 5:8-9
The Tale of Two Covenants
Hebrews 8:1-9:10
LAB180 Ways to cross-reference to understand a passage rightly
1 Peter 5:8-9
LAB177 God's Grace means I just sit back and relax? Hah! Think Again!!
1 Peter 5:7-9
LAB176 Three Ways to Fight Anxiety
1 Peter 5:7-8
LAB175 Why Romans 5:21 refers to imputed righteousness
Romans 5:20-6:2
LAB174 God relieves the humble of their fears
1 Peter 5:6-7
LAB170 Reading the passage supernaturally
1 Peter 5:2-3
LAB168 Reading Narratives to See Truths
Acts 16:19-31
LAB165 The Surpassing Wonder of the Truth of Election
Acts 13:46-49
LAB165 The Importance of Forming a Worldview
1 Peter 4:12-19
LAB161 Divine Conception and the Joyful Purpose of Christ's Arrival
Matthew 1:18-25
LAB160 The Ground for Seeking Purity of Faith in Suffering
1 Peter 4:17-18
LAB159 Seven Ways God honours us so we don't have to be ashamed for being Christians
1 Peter 4:16
LAB158 A Simple Verse With More Than Meets The Eye
1 Peter 4:15
LAB157 God Gives Us A Taste of Future Glory Now
1 Peter 4:14
LAB156 A Tale of Two Joys
1 Peter 4:13
LAB155 Using Word Searches to Understand Persecution in Peter
1 Peter 4:12
LAB154 Complaining in the right spirit
Jeremiah 12:1
LAB153 Don't Miss the Wonder of an Introduction
Galatians 1:3-5
Ask Questions to Reveal the Text's Dense Logic
1 Peter 4:10-11
LAB150 The Jigsaw Puzzle of Change
2 Corinthians 3:15-18
LAB148 Mine Within the Immediate Context First
1 Peter 4:10
LAB147 To See Requires God's Extraordinary Power
2 Corinthians 4:6-7
LAB146 Using varied contexts to understand godly hospitality
1 Peter 4:9
LAB145 How love helps cover sins by others
1 Peter 4:8
LAB144 The Levels of A Doxology
Romans 11:33-36
LAB143 Using Search Tool for Big Ideas like "Last Days"
1 Peter 4:7
LAB142 Praying after God's WORD when dealing with sin
Psalms 19:12-13
LAB141 Ground, Context and Logic to Determine Who the Dead are
1 Peter 4:6
LAB140 Loving Enemies and Trusting God's Justice
1 Peter 4:5
LAB139 Holiness defined by context, in part
1 Thessalonians 4:11-13
LAB138 The Inference that Leads to Meaningful Work
1 Corinthians 15:58
LAB137 The Ground For Not Boasting in Men
1 Corinthians 3:21-23
LAB136 What baptism has to do with salvation
1 Peter 3:21-22
LAB135 Show the World A Life Worth Living
1 Peter 4:3-4
LAB 134 Living for Godly Passions
1 Peter 4:2
LAB133 Who Are The Antichrists
1 John 2:18-19
LAB132 Christ died to make us dead to sin
1 Peter 4:1
LAB131 Can a True Christian Fall Away from God?
1 John 2:19
LAB130 Decrypting Confusing Bible Verses
1 Peter 3:19-20
LAB 129 It is the LORD who raises us up after we fall into sin
Micah 7:7-9
LAB128 Jesus Came to Ultimately Glorify God
Romans 15:8-9
LAB127 The Prayer for Fearless Contentment
Philippians 4:6-7
LAB126 No Other God
Deuteronomy 33:26-27
LAB125 How the OT Promises is Ours
Isaiah 41:10
LAB124 Prepare Your Heart for Cancer
1 Thessalonians 5:9-11
LAB123 The Cross is to Bring Us to God
1 Peter 3:18
LAB122 The Keys to Knowing How to Live
Psalms 100:1-5
LAB121  God Wills Sin Done Against Us Without Sinning
1 Peter 3:17
LAB120 Meditating on the Word
James 3:17-18
LAB119 Treasure Jesus More than Safety
1 Peter 3:14-16
LAB118 God's blessings in suffering
1 Peter 3:14
LAB117 Sovereign God May Harm Us for Ultimate Good
1 Peter 3:13
LAB116 Love Your Enemies for Your Own Sake
1 Peter 3:9-12
LAB115 The Heart of the Christian Faith
Colossians 2:13-14
LAB114 How can we bless those who revile us?
1 Peter 3:8-9
LAB113 God Blesses Us to Bless the World
Psalms 67:1-7
LAB112 Election Gives Evangelism Power
2 Timothy 2:8-10
LAB111 Do Not Diminish God's Love for You
1 Thessalonians 1:2-7
LAB110 Your Prayers Hang on Your Marriage
1 Peter 3:7
LAB 109 Believe God more than my pain and loss
John 11:1-6
LAB108 The Saving Power of a Fearless Wife
1 Peter 3:1-6
Only by Christ's atonement and substitution, will I be able to follow Christ's example of doing good in responding to evil
1 Peter 2:21-25
God's Wise Sayings are delightfully trustworthy
Proverbs 22:17-19
God is Faithful to Himself Above All Else
2 Timothy 2:11-13
Do good when mistreated, keeping God and His reward in mind.
1 Peter 2:18-20
LAB102 Live on Earth as Citizens of Heaven
1 Peter 2:13-17
LAB101 Holy God became like us
Philippians 2:3-8
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LAB107 Saved by Grace But Not Without War
2 Timothy 2:8-13
LAB107 Saved by Grace But Not Without War
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Published March 21st, 2016; Updated March 21st, 2016
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2 Timothy 2:8-13
My Response
Remember Jesus Christ,
Oh my soul, keep always Jesus Christ in mind
risen from the dead,
He who had the final victory by raising from the dead
the offspring of David,
who from before the foundation of the earth, was to be the far Greater descendant of King David
as preached in my gospel,
This is the Jesus Christ who Paul has preached nearly 2,000 years ago, in a place halfway around the world
for which I am suffering,
This Paul who submitted to suffering for this gospel
bound with chains
His suffering, o my soul, was to be incarcerated
as a criminal.
as one considered in this fallen world as a law-breaker
But the word of God is not bound!
But take heart, o my soul, that this Paul was encouraged that this gospel, this Word of God could not be incarcerated
Therefore I endure everything
So my soul, this Paul put up with many sufferings
for the sake of the elect,
he did so for the sake of those whom God has predestined, called, justified, and will glorify (Rom 8:30)
that they also may obtain the salvation
that they may get this full, complete, true salvation
that is in Christ Jesus
this salvation that is to be had through Christ Jesus
with eternal glory.
this salvation that is with eternal glory.
So my soul, by extension, from the spread of this gospel, this Word from place to place, generation to generation, Jesus Christ, Paul and many disciples after brought this gospel finally to you, in 1976, in Singapore through a mission school
The saying is trustworthy, for:
There is a saying that was circulated during Paul's time, while not having the authority of Scripture, nonetheless is true
If we have died with him,
oh my soul, if you have died with Christ, died to your old self, to your sins
we will also live with him;
you, my soul, will live with Him
if we endure,
If you, my soul, will endure as Jesus did, as Paul did, as Peter did, as all other true disciples of Christ have done
we will also reign with him;
you, and all in the Kingdom of Christ will reign with Him. Isn't that amazing, my soul? Isn't that worth all the present temporary sufferings?
if we deny him,
But if you deny Christ, by word or by deed, by thought or in your heart, if you were not true to Him in your mind, and also in your heart, being a believer affectionally, and intellectually
he also will deny us;
then Christ, being faithful ultimately to Himself, will also deny you, o my soul. Take heed. It is not just a threat that you are to follow Him or else. But just as God is true to all the promises for you to believe and act and live on them by faith, so He is true that He will never deny Himself, by not dealing with your denial and rejection of Him rightly
if we are faithless,
and if you have no faith in Him, you do not believe Him or His Word, or live by faith in this world upon Him
he remains faithful—
He will remain faithful and true and value Himself and His glory rightly above all else, above you and your unbelief
for he cannot deny himself.
For God cannot de-God Himself. That, my soul, would be a very contradiction of His very being. That can never happen. If it could, which it could never, it would be the undoing of the entire Godhood, and then, all life will cease to have any meaning, for God will cease to be God. Oh my soul, take comfort, that if you have indeed been predestined, you are called and justified, you will be glorified. Christ engages the battle with you by praying for you, as He did for Peter. And you are also to engage in the battle as Paul did, seeking to exhort those in the kingdom to stand firm in the faith. There is no contradiction between God's election and your effort. Both are to occur, o my soul. But take heart, your certain victory is not upon you and your efforts, but upon God. Your efforts will be blessed and joined to His, like the boy with the loaves and fish. What you offer may be little, but God asks you to offer it nonetheless.
2 Timothy 2:8-13
Μνημόνευε Ἰησοῦν Χριστὸν
Remember Jesus Christ,
ἐγηγερμένον ἐκ νεκρῶν,
raised from the dead,
ἐκ σπέρματος Δαυίδ,
a descendant of David;
κατὰ τὸ εὐαγγέλιόν μου, ἐν ᾧ
such is my gospel, for which
Goal of Acion in 2:9 - 2:10
The Warfare
I suffer hardship
Action of warfare. Contrast from 2:9b and c with 2:9 d
μέχρι δεσμῶν
to the point of imprisonment
ὡς κακοῦργος,
as a criminal,
ἀλλʼ ὁ λόγος τοῦ θεοῦ οὐ δέδεται•
but God’s message is not imprisoned!
διὰ τοῦτο πάντα ὑπομένω
So I endure all things
διὰ τοὺς ἐκλεκτούς,
for the sake of those chosen by God,
Purpose of 2:10a
The Full Salvation
ἵνα καὶ αὐτοὶ σωτηρίας τύχωσιν τῆς
that they too may obtain salvation
ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ
in Christ Jesus
Describing the salvation
μετὰ δόξης αἰωνίου.
and its eternal glory.
πιστὸς ὁ λόγος•
This saying is trustworthy:
Content of 2:11a
εἰ γὰρ συναπεθάνομεν,
If we died with him,
καὶ συζήσομεν•
we will also live with him.
εἰ ὑπομένομεν,
If we endure,
καὶ συμβασιλεύσομεν•
we will also reign with him.
εἰ ἀρνησόμεθα,
If we deny him,
κἀκεῖνος ἀρνήσεται ἡμᾶς•
he will also deny us.
εἰ ἀπιστοῦμεν,
If we are unfaithful,
ἐκεῖνος πιστὸς μένει, ἀρνήσασθαι
he remains faithful,
γὰρ ἑαυτὸν οὐ δύναται.
since he cannot deny himself.
Ground of 2:11 - 2:13
Μνημόνευε Ἰησοῦν Χριστὸν ἐγηγερμένον ἐκ νεκρῶν, ἐκ σπέρματος Δαυίδ, κατὰ τὸ εὐαγγέλιόν μου,
ἐν ᾧ κακοπαθῶ μέχρι δεσμῶν ὡς κακοῦργος, ἀλλʼ ὁ λόγος τοῦ θεοῦ οὐ δέδεται•
διὰ τοῦτο πάντα ὑπομένω διὰ τοὺς ἐκλεκτούς, ἵνα καὶ αὐτοὶ σωτηρίας τύχωσιν τῆς ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ μετὰ δόξης αἰωνίου.
πιστὸς ὁ λόγος• εἰ γὰρ συναπεθάνομεν, καὶ συζήσομεν•
εἰ ὑπομένομεν, καὶ συμβασιλεύσομεν• εἰ ἀρνησόμεθα, κἀκεῖνος ἀρνήσεται ἡμᾶς•
εἰ ἀπιστοῦμεν, ἐκεῖνος πιστὸς μένει, ἀρνήσασθαι γὰρ ἑαυτὸν οὐ δύναται.
Takeaway "Eternal security of salvation is a community project" - Dr Piper God's promises and election for salvation includes effort by us and God to continue to fight a war that will be won. Application To expect battle, hardship, war, and to continue to engage in these, and persevere and endure these, knowing Christ joins me in prayer, as He did for Peter To exhort one another, building up each other in the household of faith, those who have come to Christ. For this is part of how to engage in the warfare. Dr Piper's Questions 1. When Paul says he would do anything, “that they may also obtain salvation” ( 2 Timothy 2: 10 ), what does he mean? Is this salvation conversion (initial salvation) or glorification (final salvation)? How would you argue for your answer from 2 Timothy 2:8–13 ? Paul means that this salvation refers to the final salvation. This is so because of: v.10 "...that they also may obtain salvation that is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory". Eternal glory would likely refer to the kind of salvation with everlasting, continuing, eternal glory. This suggests not the initial appearance of salvation but the appearing of salvation that is tied overtly to the glory that will be revealed v. 11 - 13: point to the salvation that is beyond the initial appearance of salvation, but towards the very end of when Christ reigns. So not that we died with Christ, but we live with Him, we endure then we reign with Him. v.13: If we are faithless to God, He will remain faithful to Himself and we will not have the consummated, the fullness, the final goal of our faith - our salvation of our souls. 2. Read Romans 8:30–37 . How do the promises in these eight verses help you understand the dynamics in 2 Timothy 2:8 ? There is process from justification and glorification. All those who are truly called and justified, will be glorified There is nonetheless an ongoing certain-victorious battle, that must be engaged in, fought for, and struggled through This warfare is for our souls Satan is wanting to deceive us and ruin our faith Jesus does battle by intercession, e.g. Luke 22:32, Romans 8:34 The war continues on earth with a list of earthly sufferings Romans 8:35 An example of this is Peter, who fought even after his denial 3. After seeing the role Paul plays in these believers’ perseverance, what should we do for one another in the church? Use Hebrews 3:13–14 in your answer. Paul fights the good fight in this war for the sake of the elect so that the elect may endure till the end So likewise, in Hebrews 3:13 - 14 I should: hold the salvation firm to the end exhort each other, those who have come to Christ to hold firm to the end so that we do not get hardened by the deceitfulness of sin
Jeannie Koh
Thank you, Trevor, for the encouragement in Christ.
Trevor Gibson
Dear Jeannie, It struck me that your continued support and posts to the LAB group fits into the realm of your first 'take away' where you repeat Dr Piper's statement that "Eternal security of salvation is a community project". It is always a blessing to read and reflect on your posts and to see the depth of prayer and thought that you put into your work, which in turn builds me up. I especially like the 'My response" section of your post(s). God bless you, Yours in Him, Trevor
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